antc
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Post by antc on Feb 14, 2010 14:59:15 GMT
hello all i am looking to get some new sails for my eboat, however i am on a budget, a strict one. so am looking for the best quality and craftsmanship for the most reasonable price, i have an Owen main and no1 Genoa but have no experience of buying yacht sails. does anybody have any recommendations?
also being irc rated does it take into account laminate sails vs Dacron?
cheers
Ant C
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Post by Piers Stanbury on Feb 15, 2010 14:04:22 GMT
Regards IRC rating the sail material is not taken into account. That said it is worth getting the best cloth you can afford, and make sure that the sail maker you use has a track record of building sails in that material.
Suggestions on sail makers & sails. 1, Is there a specialist E boat sail maker, talk to other Eboat owners... 2, Is there a good local racing Keel Boat sail maker in your area, it will help if they are local to get a better service. 3. If you are looking at IRC racing you may not have to have E boat 'one design' sails made but have a sail plan which rates better under IRC, i.e Bigger roach on the Main & Larger Spinnakers. (I note that E boats class rules stipulate Kevlar and the like is banned) 4. Here in the Thames Estuary / east Coast area can advise on the following sailmakers A. Quantums - good with Laminate race sails and excellent service, pricing getting better - I use them, B. Dolphins sails - Again good with Race sails in Laminate and Dacron, good service. C. Hyde sails - Used to be good for Keel Boats / IRC sails but reputation going bad, service not good, manufacture not great and service no good. D. Longton and Gray - Local Burnham sailmakers, good prices, strong if you want Dacron sails - make very good sails for local one designs, squibs and dragons.
All of above can be found on the internet.
Hope this helps, but can not re-iterate enough the follwoing, speak to your local racing sailors and class association, get their advice.
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alanp
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Post by alanp on Feb 16, 2010 17:16:09 GMT
Agree entirely with piersstanbury's comments but would add that some sailmakers have their sails made in the Far East and can thus quote seemingly keen prices. Great if they fit first time but maybe not so good if they don't, so it's worth checking before you order. Everyone has a favourite sailmaker but, based on 14 new sails in the last 20 years, I believe you could do a lot worse than talk to Peter Sanders at Sanders Sails in Lymington. I ought to add that I've bought this many sails because I've changed boats quite often rather than through any lack of longevity in Sanders sails! 22 to 34 footers, masthead or fractional rig, dacron or laminate; they have all been good, as has the advice he has given me. Now, if only I could trim them half as well as Sanders make them...........
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tim
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Post by tim on Feb 17, 2010 14:57:47 GMT
Hi guys.As one of 2 dads that brought the Ebay Eboat for our teenager sons to race,we are facing the same problem(the boat came as a real bargain,but with no sails).
The prospect of funding a complete 70's IOR style sail wardrobe has no appeal,and as Sonatas demonstrate,a decent roached main and a smaller genny/working jib headsail combination makes for a quick and easily handled rig,and cuts down costs.
Having pestered Julian Everitt on this issue,he has suggested that extending the standard e boat main foot length by 30 "and adding moderate roach whilst reducing headsail size to 110%,should keep the rig balance and helm neutral.
Using laminates for both main and genny will make up for the marginal loss in light wind performance uphill,but retention of the mast head kite and bigger main will give extra downhill speed .
I have approached a newly formed local one man loft to quote.He seems interested in getting a toehold in the minitonner fleet as he is primarily cutting for larger skiffs and racing dinghies at present.His sail win races,and he is not yet vat registered.
I am awaiting estimates for the 4 new sails ,which I am happy to pass on.If we are looking to place larger orders,we can get a better deal.
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Post by stuart on Feb 17, 2010 20:32:23 GMT
hi all i,ve started to get quotes for a new roller genoa which i would like to be a laminate and to be slab reefed like a main sail rather than on a roller and gain the single head sail rating under irc. the best price so far have been from shore sails based on the south coast. i used to sail on a j105 with them and for the price they performed very well. but if any one gets a good quote can they post it for all to see
stuart
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alanp
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Post by alanp on Feb 17, 2010 22:58:13 GMT
Hello Tim, Don't want to seem negative nor claim to know more than Julian Everitt, but I have a few worries about what you propose. 1. What works on a Sonata may not necessarily work on an E Boat. The former has a fractional rig designed to control mainsail shape by significant mastbend. Your masthead rig can't bend that much without coming out of column, which means it is at risk of breaking. Your new sail could be cut much flatter to compensate but that carries its own disadvantages. 2. Adding 30" (nearly 40%) to a standard foot length of around 6'6" seems somewhat extreme. It will lower the aspect ratio of your main whereas high aspect is generally held to result in high lift / low drag, therefore more efficient to windward. 3. You may have problems getting the leech of your larger, roached sail past the backstay when tacking or gybing, particularly in lightish winds. Even more so if you need a full length batten to support the roach of the sail. 4. The masthead spinnaker and larger mainsail suggest broaching rather than extra speed downwind. A non-planing boat can only go so fast; after that the rig has to take the extra load. Let off the kicker to ease that load and the resulting sail twist leads to the 'death roll' and when that starts, your 30" longer boom is that much closer to the water! Please accept these comments in the spirit they are intended. I don't wish to sound like a smart-ass but neither do I want to see someone make what could be an expensive mistake.
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Post by scottkaczor on Feb 18, 2010 12:55:29 GMT
Dear Tim & All,
As a naval architect and sailmaker of 10 years, I have to agree with alanp. What has been proposed does not sound likely to work. I trust part of this plan, not mentioned, is to move the mast forward significantly in order that the center of effort still falls in line with the centerer of lateral resistance + a lead factor if the ratios of main and headsail area are to be changed so much.
This might have the good coincidence that the existing structure for the chainplates (in-line) now is in about the right place for swept spreaders (desirable) if the mast is moved forward. The structure under the new mast position will also need reviewing.
regards.
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Post by scottkaczor on Feb 18, 2010 13:03:00 GMT
Dear Stuart and All,
Having one reefable headsail (+130%LP) on a furler and then claiming furling credit is fine so long as the furling gear is still fully operational when the sail is at full hoist AND reefed. If not, it is against IRC regs as it is no longer a fully operational and functional furling gear.
If you can furl once reefed, beware of halyard wraps as the head swivel will now be a long way from the halyard sheave or deflector if you have one. I can only imaging the damage it will do to the sail by furling it reefed!
regards.
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rowan
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Post by rowan on Feb 24, 2010 13:04:51 GMT
Bit late now, but I've only just read this thread. You may have noticed most of the minitonners on the south coast use Kemp sails. The manager there is a top bloke and knows everything there is to know about minitonners. Give them a ring before you order anything and ask to speak to Matt (he might be busy, he's organising some race or other in the summer called the minitonne cup!)
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