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Post by aquilon26 on Feb 28, 2011 18:54:54 GMT
Hi.
First time on here for me, so bear with me.
I have recently acquired a rather sorry looking boat which I believed to be a Limbo 6.6, it was called amber too, but after talking to the IRC, it turns out that it might have been originally Called Limbo Lil, and is in fact a limbo 7.7. (I will run my tape over it which should prove a definitive answer.)
if it does turn out to be a 7.7, would i still be able to join in with you guys? the original cert. says the rated length was 19.4 feet which is a bit high, but i was reading about your IRC .870 ceiling and i guess if it rates less than that i would be OK?
Collective thoughts gratefully accepted.
Also if anyone out there has any knowledge of the boat or its history, i would be most interested.
Many thanks
Rupert
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george
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Post by george on Feb 28, 2011 19:03:47 GMT
Sounds like a Quarter Tonner to me I'm afraid Rupert.
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Post by if on Feb 28, 2011 19:49:41 GMT
Hi, Limbo Lil was built as a mini tonner for the 1980 miniton cup in Edinburgh. She was a modification of the standard Limbo 6.6 optimised for light winds. the transom was extended by over a meter to take advantage of the rules at that time. it was so long and flat that you could walk down the transom to the very back of the boat and dangle your toes over the edge into the water. She was fitted with a fixed keel and had a bustle leading to a fixed rudder. This all allowed them to have a taller rig and larger sail area than the standard Limbo 6.6. I know all this because I owned the only other 7.7 that was built and also raced her in the 1980 Mini Ton Cup, I called her "IF". Changes in the rules for 1981 meant that the extreme suger scoop sterns were penalised and to qualify as a minitonner for the 1981 MiniTon Cup at Langanargan on the Bodensee I had to cut it off and rebuild the stern , fitt a lead torpedo to the bottom of the keel to improve her stability and reduce her mainsail. So from above deck she looked pretty much ther same as a standard 6.6 but with a fixed rather than a transom hung rudder. It all worked out wrong as the 1980 MiniTon Cup was gales all week and the 7.7's were optimised for light winds. Then after the changes I made "IF" became a heavy weather boat but the 1981 Mini Ton cup was a drifter all the way through. I have no idea what has been done to Limbo Lil, but unless they made similar changes her rating would have gone well above a MiniTonner. Hope that helps Peter
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Post by PaulD on Feb 28, 2011 20:27:52 GMT
Rupert
If your new purchase does happen to be thee 'Limbo lil' from the 1980 Mini Ton Cup, I say welcome aboard. She was built as a Mini Tonner for the Mini Ton Cup, therefor in the 'spirit of the Mini Tonner' she is all good.
That woud mean there are three boats from the 1980 Mini Ton Cup all heading back to the water, Smokey, Sunshine Boys and possibly Limbo Lil!
As for the IRC rating, dont worry about that, her history is a Mini Tonner.
Paul
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Post by nij on Mar 1, 2011 10:09:27 GMT
Rupert
Sounds very interesting any chance of a few pictures? Where are you based?
Nij
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Post by if on Mar 1, 2011 12:31:12 GMT
Rupert, The most obvious difference between a Limbo 6.6 and a 7.7 is the "IORC" style bustle tapering back to the rudder stock and the fixed rudder that came up to a tiller at the back of the cockpit. A standard 6.6 has a flat bottom and a stern hung rudder. The other obvious thing would be the tube for the rudder stock. Even if the stern has been cut back and refaired like a 6.6, and a stern hung rudder fitted you would be able to see the rudder post or where it had been in the stern locker and on deck at the back of the cockpit. As for whether it is Limbo Lil or "IF", Limbo Lil didnt have gel coat when she was molded to save weight, "IF" had the standard light blue Limbo Gel Coat. I think Limbo Lil was based at West End of South Coast, it was owned by Westway Sails and raced by Stuart Westway, one of his loftsmen and Andrew Stewart the designer (last spoke to him about 15 years ago when I found him running an antiques shop in Kent). IF was sold to a guy in Plymouth about 1983, but I saw her again on the East Coast about 1998 at either Bradwell or Tichmarsh Marina. Dont recall if she had a name but she was in good condition, Gel Coat and my Stern Modification looked sound and she still had some unique features yoyu could identify her by. Bottom of forstay had a custom made swivel for the tack of the foresail. Black anodised RWO mainsheet type travelers each side as adjustable genoa tracks. Black RWO mast has short section added below the gooseneck (they built the mast too short and it had to be extended) And finally the stern. I cut off about 1 meter to approximately the same position as a standard 6.6 and then glassed in a new upright transom, This was set back a a bit (I think about 1cm) so that I could glass it both sides without effecting the smoth line of the hull. So instead of the edge of the Hull and transom having a radius where they join there is a lip. I have no Idea if Limbo Lil had a similar modification but I am pretty sure I used Gel coat I got from Zygal Marine the builders to finish it of so the gel coat all matched. If it turns out you do have IF and not Limbo Lil I would love to find out what has been happening with her, if not I assume she is still somewhere on the East Coast. TTFN Peter
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Post by nij on Mar 1, 2011 15:35:12 GMT
Hi Peter (If)
I think we saw If for sale 2 years ago now called Boomerang. She was sitting in the yard at Harwich and Dovercourt Yacht Club She had the the small lip on transom you describe, the bulb on bottom of keel, buste leading back to under hull rudder blade and a sleeved mast at around gooseneck height. Not really in a racing state anymore but looked generally solid and not too knocked about. (roller headsail fitted) She was quite cheap maybe should have purchashed her. Havent seen advertised for a while now so guess she was sold. Would have made a great project. Would still be interested in something intersting like this as a project. (previously owned Limbo Dancer from 1993-96) Nij
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Post by aquilon26 on Mar 1, 2011 18:39:17 GMT
Hi All.
Many thanks for your helpfull info and encouragement.
i am now reasobably sure that she is Limbo lil as i found the original IOR measurement sitcker from 1980 0n the boat and the date of measurement and the sail number match what the nice folk at the IRC sent me. it would appear that at some point someone has chopped off part of the transome, she is some whare between 6.8 and 7.0m (it was a bit windy for measuring today), I also measured the mast and it looks like the luff of the main is about 8.5m, how des this compare to a standard limbo mast?
The rating certificate says that there should be 100lbs of lead inside, but it would appear that someone had that away a long time ago.
The boat is at Southsea Marina, where i work if anyone is passing and fancies a poke around.
I did takes a few pictures of her undersides, but am not sure if there is somewhere here i can upload them.
Thanks Again
Rupert
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Post by boomerang on Mar 1, 2011 22:58:19 GMT
Hi all. "If" is alive and well, bought from Harwich in the autumn and now in Bembridge Isle of wight. After a tidy up we will be racing out of Cowes including I.S.C. evening series, Cowes week and Mini Ton Cup of course. I was not aware of the 7.7 connection until now as I had measured it to 6.6m , though could not explain the lead bulb, mast extension and rudder system. Not expecting to be very competetive yet as the sails are all stamped from 1980 worlds ! Any other information would be most welcome. Regards martin moore.
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Post by george on Mar 3, 2011 8:51:03 GMT
The boat is at Southsea Marina, where i work if anyone is passing and fancies a poke around. I'm going to need to visit ECA on Saturday, so would quite fancy a poke around and a miniton yarn, if you're there?
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Post by george on Mar 5, 2011 18:44:39 GMT
I popped down today on my way back from picking my trailer up from ECA. She looks like having the makings of a very rapid boat indeed folks. I dare say Rupert might have himself a craft, much more developped than a 6.6, could even challenge the Glass Onions for line honours. Lovely boat. I'm too loyal to Roughian to be envious but...
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Post by if on Mar 21, 2011 12:58:56 GMT
Martin, Nice to hear IF (Boomerang) is live and well. I had the torpedo cast in lead and it was bolted through the keel to secure. The bolts are recessed and set in recesses with lead plugs hamered on top to fair it off. It is entirely remeoveable if you can work out where the plugs are. It was only fitted to conform to stability changes in the regs in 1981, not sure if it would still be needed and I think it slowed her down. If I can be of any help I owned IF from her creation to about 1982/3 and competed in both the 1980 and 1981 MiniTon Worlds. TTFN Peter
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Post by alanp on Mar 26, 2011 15:47:26 GMT
Being a nosey old buzzard, I had a look at Rupert / Aquilon26's Limbo this morning. Looks like I've got a lot of work to do on my Intro if I am to match the smoothness of 'Limbo Lil's bottom, if you'll forgive the phraseology. Wish I hadn't gone; I'm depressed now!
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Post by aquilon26 on Mar 27, 2011 14:04:16 GMT
Thanks for that Alan, sorry i missed you. Things are indeed starting to come together.
Should be copper coated by the end of the week, i have purchaesd a 2.5m length of carbon tube for a pole and also snpped up a spinlock tiller extension on ebay.
Just got to get the topsides sorted, coax the siezed up deck fittings back into life and find the missing sailmaker!
It is most definitely sailing weather!
Best to all.
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Post by aquilon26 on Apr 8, 2011 19:37:27 GMT
Two fin keel limbos at Southsea.
Nowhere Special has joined us.
Things took a turn for the worse with Limbo lil, we put the mast up only for it to nearly fall down again as the bulkheads were as rotten as something very rotten indeed.
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